The One Setting You Need to Change (Youtube video)
Focusing Issues with the RX10 V
Examining the Flash Sync Speed
RX10 V: The One Setting You Need to Change
RX10 V Focusing Issues
Several weeks after the camera started shipping (and after my book on the RX10 V came out), some Facebook groups dedicated to that camera started posting test shots which cast doubt about the accuracy of the autofocus at 600mm f/4 using Subject Recognition set to “Animal / Eye”. Using commercial focusing charts, some (but not all) people were able to demonstrate small inaccuracies, akin to the kind of backfocusing issues that plagued DSLRs in the early days. One of the better youtube videos which demonstrates the issue can be found here.Sony Artesian of Imagery Mark Galer even chimed in with his own treatise on the subject and telling Sony to take this issue seriously. (My camera checks out just fine.)
Sony has tested units that were sent in for repair and has acknowledged that some do exhibit a problem, and they are working with the engineers in Japan to understand it better. I suspect a formal announcement on the issue (and hopefully a fix!) will be made by the time the next blog post drops. Stay tuned.
Flash Sync Speed
So as explained in the sister blog post, I had difficulty shooting with flash at 1/2000th of a second with the RX10 V.
According to Sony, the flash sync speed for this camera is either 1/2000th of a second at f/8 and smaller (larger number), and 1/1000th of a second at anything larger (smaller number) than f/8. Why this would be isn't hard to understand. With a leaf shutter, the light blocking mechanism is actually in the lens, right behind the f/stop blades. When the f/stop blades are closed down, the shutter doesn't have to travel nearly as much distance to start/stop the exposure than if the f/stop blades were wide open.
Anyway, as it turns out I've never actually tried overpowering the sun at 1/2000th of a second in the past, but I found out about the problem the hard way while out in the field, doing test shots of photographer Mark Ostow. The goal was to underexpose the background by about 1.5 stops, and have the flash illuminate the subject via TTL flash metering. At 1/2000th of a second the flash was so weak that it hardly registered on the subject. Changing to 1/1000th of a second seemed to fix the problem. (In fact, the same thing happens with high speed sync also.)
So what's going on? I did some tests in the studio starting with the Godox TT685:
Same thing. What if I used a more powerful flash, like the Godox AD200?
Once again, at 1/2000th of a second the subject came out way too dark.
Okay, what if I brought out the big-ass Godox AD200? Surely the greater power will be able to overcome the light attenuation at 1/2000th, right?
It turns out that the same thing happens with Sony flashes, and also the RX10 IV as well.
So I think I see a general rule developing: Ignore what Sony says. The fastest practical shutter speed for using flash with these cameras is 1/1000th of a second.
Thank you for publishing the RX10 V book. I did things backwards and wanted to find out the true abilities of the camera before blindly spending $2300 on a something sort of new. I trust your knowledge. I am glad I did as I’m not stuck with a new broken camera and wondering why I’m not getting the quality I expected. If I had bought the camera I still would have purchased your book just happy to be backwards. Thank you.
This old electronics engineer suspects a flash sync timing issue at 1/2000 second shutter speed. Even though the typical flash burst is 1/10,000 second or shorter time, at 1/2000 the timing between the shutter opening and the flash firing is extremely critical. Any delay in triggering the flash or the flash itself firing will result in the flash firing as or after the shutter closes. At the 1/1000 shutter speed, the shutter is fully open for 1 millisecond. At 1/2000, that open time is down to 0.5 millisecond. Not very much time for the camera to command the flash to fire and the flash electronics to respond and fire the flash burst before the shutter closes. At the typical flash sync speed for a modern focal plane shutter, the shutter is open for 4 milliseconds. Plenty of time for the flash to fire, the exposure to be measured, and the flash burst stopped.
Yes but if you look carefully at the outdoor test shots it's clear that the flash is firing at 1/2000th (the bounce card is lit). This happens at the higher end with HSS as well, and even the A9 III with its global shutter exhibited this behavior at 1/80,000th of a second.
I discussed this topic in great detail when the A9 III came out (and even measured the delay required so that the peak of the AD200 would appear in the shot). See my blog post https://friedmanarchives.blogspot.com/2024/03/overpowering-sun-with-global-shutter.html for discussion and two youtube videos.
The way Flash works is it only has a single power level and how bright it is will be controlled by how long it is on. So if you want a super-short flash pulse set it to 1/64th or less.
This does mean if you want maximum light to over-power something you will get the longest "flash".
For example my Canon 580EX II flashes will light for 1/1000th of a sec at full power and 1/35000 of a sec at 1/128th. Assuming other flashes are similar you would get a light issue at 1/2000th. Regards John
Hey Gary, Great book, but following the video for “Recall Custom hold 3” above , I cannot assign any custom actions to that key. The options are: playback, movie shooting, menu, display my menu, display main menu and not set. Any ideas ?
Thank you for publishing the RX10 V book. I did things backwards and wanted to find out the true abilities of the camera before blindly spending $2300 on a something sort of new. I trust your knowledge. I am glad I did as I’m not stuck with a new broken camera and wondering why I’m not getting the quality I expected. If I had bought the camera I still would have purchased your book just happy to be backwards. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteGary: You say the RX cameras are different than the Alpha cameras. Does that RX difference also apply to the RX1RIII camera?
ReplyDeleteGood question. Thankfully, the answer is "No, the RX1R III's Focus Standard feature works like all the other Sony Alpha cameras."
DeleteThis old electronics engineer suspects a flash sync timing issue at 1/2000 second shutter speed. Even though the typical flash burst is 1/10,000 second or shorter time, at 1/2000 the timing between the shutter opening and the flash firing is extremely critical. Any delay in triggering the flash or the flash itself firing will result in the flash firing as or after the shutter closes.
ReplyDeleteAt the 1/1000 shutter speed, the shutter is fully open for 1 millisecond. At 1/2000, that open time is down to 0.5 millisecond. Not very much time for the camera to command the flash to fire and the flash electronics to respond and fire the flash burst before the shutter closes. At the typical flash sync speed for a modern focal plane shutter, the shutter is open for 4 milliseconds. Plenty of time for the flash to fire, the exposure to be measured, and the flash burst stopped.
Yes but if you look carefully at the outdoor test shots it's clear that the flash is firing at 1/2000th (the bounce card is lit). This happens at the higher end with HSS as well, and even the A9 III with its global shutter exhibited this behavior at 1/80,000th of a second.
DeleteI discussed this topic in great detail when the A9 III came out (and even measured the delay required so that the peak of the AD200 would appear in the shot). See my blog post https://friedmanarchives.blogspot.com/2024/03/overpowering-sun-with-global-shutter.html for discussion and two youtube videos.
The way Flash works is it only has a single power level and how bright it is will be controlled by how long it is on. So if you want a super-short flash pulse set it to 1/64th or less.
DeleteThis does mean if you want maximum light to over-power something you will get the longest "flash".
For example my Canon 580EX II flashes will light for 1/1000th of a sec at full power and 1/35000 of a sec at 1/128th. Assuming other flashes are similar you would get a light issue at 1/2000th.
Regards
John
See my youtube video which talks about this: https://youtu.be/b9AcOE7Xb4U?si=6ucrKt9-eIQ6ozob
DeleteHey Gary,
ReplyDeleteGreat book, but following the video for “Recall Custom hold 3” above , I cannot assign any custom actions to that key. The options are: playback, movie shooting, menu, display my menu, display main menu and not set. Any ideas ?
HI. Section 2.6 of my book walks you through the finer details.
DeleteOk , thanks
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